The Chumby (and tinkering/programming in general) is a hobby to me and I don't understand why me stating that I bought my Chumby for fun would offend anybody.
In reading this thread, I did infer that what was being said was that most people were believed to have bought their Chumby as a clock. I simply wanted to mention that there were Chumby owners with a different view than yours.
Whoah, I'm so not offended by you buying Chumby for a hobby! It's hobbyists that make the product better! But at the same time, I don't understand why me buying my Chumby as a clock would offend you, either.
Let me restate, then: I bought Chumby for it's configurable alarm clock radio *capabilities* which are advertised brightly on the website. I am a tinkerer too and don't mind being in on the beta end of things, even though what I know about linux/flash you could fit on the head of a pin. But for a true J6P user, they're not going to tinker OR buy Chumby as a hobby. Unfortunately, J6Pers outnumber Linux/flash developers by, something like 500,000 to 1. If the Chumby people want to limit their community and user base to just those hobbyist linux/flash developer people, then they should go for it! But what I'm saying here is that Chumby has the ability to provide to J6P a commodity that is not easily gotten: SLEEP. As Chumby takes off and the price starts to go down (as EVERY product eventually does), J6P is going to see this appliance and say, Cool, I can sleep in on my day off without an annoying alarm going off. Then J6P is going to learn the other cool features of Chumby, perhaps show them to his friends, etc etc. That's the best marketing in the world!
Okay, Whether or not Chumby is PRIMARILY a clock doesn't concern me. What does concern me is that while there are hobbyists buying Chumby who might not care about Chumby being a clock, there are ALSO plenty of people who DO care about Chumby being a clock. Just check this website for people complaining about the clock being off, alarms not working, etc (although I have NEVER had this problem with my Chumby). So what's wrong with attempting to bring that customer base in too? Perhaps improve those services too? Especially since it's potentially a astronomically larger number of people than the hobbyist crowd. Who, I have said ad nauseum, are most DEFINITELY an important customer base, especially right now in the early stages. Just not the bigger potential crowd. Make sense?
I may have read the posts wrong, but after re-reading the entire thread, I still get the impression that the inference was chumby==clock. After re-reading it I did see a little more emphasis on the fact that you believe Chumby marketing is directed at the Chumby being a clock which is still open for debate.
For ME, Chumby==clock. No, for me, Chumby==Pimped up alarm clock radio appliance. NY Times and CNBC agree with me, just click on their review on the right hand side of Chumby.com. Doesn't mean that's ALL it is. But it's a damned good hook for J6P, IMHO.
I understand that I am probably not "the norm" when it comes to developer versus regular end user, however I think there's plenty around. I believe that many people that buy chumbies are developers of some sort (flash/linux/etc.).
I agree. Especially for right NOW, at the early stages, you ARE the norm. It makes sense, as Chumby is not quite yet "easy" to use. Well, it is, but it might not be for someone who doesn't know how to send emails from Outlook (like most of the people in my office ). But hopefully it's the hobbyist that's going to improve the Chumby community so much that it will be so easy that my Outlook-disabled users will be able to use it and love it.
Look, I was offended because you insinuated, no STATED, that I was *wasting* $180 so that I could get a little sleep. In general, people can't buy sleep, or even time for it. IMNSHO, that $180 was so NOT wasted!!! And there will be other people who agree. So that's my primary purpose for spending $ on Chumby, but then there's also the geek in me that's trying to learn flash and wants to play with widgets (and for some of us, play with widgets in bed ), so I have a secondary purpose as a sort of hobbyist.
But you seem like a nice dude, or Chumbian, or chumbrero (sorry Duane, that makes me think of a hat! :-/), and I'm willing to call a truce. I have NO problem with you stating your opinion, but just realize that if I'm personally insulted, I will respond....
Vice President of Duane's Chumby Buddies Inc, Pro-Clock faction Clocks are life; we all expire sometime.http://forum.chumby.com/viewtopic.php?id=2565