1 (edited by st2000 2010-12-29 13:23:22)

Topic: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

...security codes?

Well, the WPA 64 hex digit security code worked for a small 3.5 inch Insignia.

But  after half an hour of trying  the same on an 8 inch Insignia I am giving up!  The firmware upgrade did not help either!  I am starting to wonder if this 8 inch Insignia (Chumby) box can even handle the normal 64 hex digits for WPA WIFI encryption.

Anyone know?

What about upper verses lower case letters?  Any device should be able to figure out it's getting 64 hex numbers instead of a short password phrase - don't you think?  Well, I assume all Chumby related internet appliances did as the 3.5 Insignia worked just fine.

Oh, if any are wondering - the WIFI on the 8 inch Insignia does work - I was able to connect the box to a lesser secure WIFI box using a pass-phrase. 

-thanks for any help

2 (edited by st2000 2010-12-27 15:00:37)

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

Really?  No one one enters their WPA WIFI security key this way?

How's about this question then:

Can anyone from Chumby.Com tell me that "for sure" entering 64 hex numbers will work for an 8 inch Infocast just like it does for the 3.5 inch Infocast?

-thanks

BTW, if it is suppose to work - then am I suppose to use 0-9 & A-F or am I suppose to use 0-9 & a-f? Or does it even matter?  If it does not work - I really think that's a high priority bug that needs fixing. Maybe it need to be preceded by a "0x".

[BTW, Feature Request: Revert back to "do-not-hide" the security key.  The Infocast keyboard emulation used when configuring wifi is not that good and prone to errors.]

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

We're looking into it - I know that it's a standard part of our testing, but it's possible something got by QA.

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Duane wrote:

We're looking into it - I know that it's a standard part of our testing, but it's possible something got by QA.

That would be great!

I know most people use pass-words, but I lost that long ago and the hash (the 64 hex numbers) is what I have been using ever since.  I've so many devices already set up that I am sure it would take the better part of a day to reset everything - all just to get this Infocast to work.

-thanks

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

Starting to look bad.

8 inch Insignia can not be configure for WEP encryption using a 26 hex digit code. 

I just fired up a 3rd wifi router.  This one can only handle WEP encryption. I plugged in the shorter 26 hex digit key.  I could not double check the actual values as the new version of the 8 inch Insignia substitutes asterisks for all numbers.  But I was able to double checked that I had the correct number of digits. The Insignia finally said it failed.  I'll try again, but I suspect the Insignia 8 inch firmware does not work this way.  Wow, just about everything ... no, actually everything else I have works this way.  Everything from iPods to WiFi-security-cameras to laptops to a Nitendo Wii to the 3 inch Infocast.

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

My bad, looks like the large Infocast does not handle WEP.  At least I don't see a way to set it up that way.

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

I have both the 8in and 3.5in Infocasts from Best Buy.

Interestingly, for the WIFI, I had to type out the whole 26 Hex (WEP) code for the 8in model phrase, while for the 3.5in model would only accept the text phrase for the same phrase.

Both are working fine with my WIFI.

After using both, the 8in is far superior to the 3.5in, in the size and features it offers for only $28 bucks more.

I would have gotten more 8in models for gifts, but they were sold out so I bought 3.5 in ones when I could for $40 bucks each. I got the last ones at two Best Buys.  There were no 8in models anywhere.  At $68 bucks for the 8in model, it was the deal of 2010.

I was also able to get back the difference from the $99 black friday sale and the short time they were for sale at $68.  Great deal.

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

You were able to get WEP working? I have got to research this a bit more.  Maybe my WEP WiFi box is not compatible with a Chumby.  The WEP WiFi box works with an old SqueezeBox and several WiFi cameras.  How does Chumby know it is connecting to a WEP instead of a WPA WiFi box?

Yes, the 8 inch Infocast is faster and can handle video.  But I have mixed feeling about it because they left some "built in" software out W.R.T. the 3 inch Infocast.  For instance, I don't see a SqueezeCenter client on the 8 inch Infocast.  Not even a loadable application for it.

When you typed in the 26 character hex WEP security code string into the 8 inch Infocast, did you do anything special?  Did you use lower case ASCII characters for a-f?

To get my 8 inch Infocast to work, I had to change my WPA security code on my WPA WiFi box to a short pass phrase.  I spent hours trying to enter a 64 character key (which did work with ALL my other WiFi clients!).  This is going to knock out my 3 inch Infocast as well as about 10 other WiFi enabled devices.  Essentially, I will have spent the better part of half a day doing WiFi configuration on about a dozen devices just to get my Infocast/Chumby to work.

I think WPA is suppose to be able to use a 64 character security key. This is starting to sound like a Chumby firmware bug. I'm betting they screwed up the WPA security key array.  It is common to mess up loops or array dimensions leaving off the last character.  I know I've be caught by such logic mistakes.

9 (edited by notso 2011-01-01 09:19:46)

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

st2000 wrote:

To get my 8 inch Infocast to work, I had to change my WPA security code on my WPA WiFi box to a short pass phrase.  I spent hours trying to enter a 64 character key (which did work with ALL my other WiFi clients!).  This is going to knock out my 3 inch Infocast as well as about 10 other WiFi enabled devices.  Essentially, I will have spent the better part of half a day doing WiFi configuration on about a dozen devices just to get my Infocast/Chumby to work.

I think WPA is suppose to be able to use a 64 character security key. This is starting to sound like a Chumby firmware bug. I'm betting they screwed up the WPA security key array.  It is common to mess up loops or array dimensions leaving off the last character.  I know I've be caught by such logic mistakes.

I gave up trying enter my 64 random character WPA key into the Infocenter without typos after a couple of attempts.

Here is the lazy man's way to put a long WPA key on the Infocenter:

1) Temporarily change the WPA key on your access point to something simple - I used zzzzzzzz
2) Setup WiFi on the Infocenter using the simple key
3) Enable SSHD in the hidden settings screen. See the Wiki for details
4) Connect to the device via SSH
5) Copy the files /psp/network-config and /psp/network-configs to /root for safekeeping.
6) Edit both /psp/network-config and /psp/network-configs and replace the temporary key with the WPA key that you wish to use on your network.
7) Change the access point back to the correct key.
8) Reboot the Infocenter.

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

st2000 wrote:

You were able to get WEP working? I have got to research this a bit more.  Maybe my WEP WiFi box is not compatible with a Chumby.  The WEP WiFi box works with an old SqueezeBox and several WiFi cameras.  How does Chumby know it is connecting to a WEP instead of a WPA WiFi box?

Yes, the 8 inch Infocast is faster and can handle video.  But I have mixed feeling about it because they left some "built in" software out W.R.T. the 3 inch Infocast.  For instance, I don't see a SqueezeCenter client on the 8 inch Infocast.  Not even a loadable application for it.

When you typed in the 26 character hex WEP security code string into the 8 inch Infocast, did you do anything special?  Did you use lower case ASCII characters for a-f?

To get my 8 inch Infocast to work, I had to change my WPA security code on my WPA WiFi box to a short pass phrase.  I spent hours trying to enter a 64 character key (which did work with ALL my other WiFi clients!).  This is going to knock out my 3 inch Infocast as well as about 10 other WiFi enabled devices.  Essentially, I will have spent the better part of half a day doing WiFi configuration on about a dozen devices just to get my Infocast/Chumby to work.

I think WPA is suppose to be able to use a 64 character security key. This is starting to sound like a Chumby firmware bug. I'm betting they screwed up the WPA security key array.  It is common to mess up loops or array dimensions leaving off the last character.  I know I've be caught by such logic mistakes.

Correction, on my last message.

I have both my InfoCasts, 8 in and 3.5 in models connected through my WIFI router WNDR3400, Netgear N600 model.

I have the security set for WEP 128 Bit, which takes a password phrase and lists a 26 letter string (Hex Bit all in Caps).

I've had to use the 26 letter string to connect my computers (a MAC, Netbook, and Laptop) to it instead of using the password phrase.  So I automatically used the 26 long string (all in Capital letters and numbers) to connect my 8 in InfoCast device.  When I tried to do the same thing with my 3.5 in InfoCast device it wouldn't accept the 26 long string of characters.  Instead it accepted just the password phrase that I used in the Netgear setup for the code. Both are connected, including my other devices

Again, I am used WEP and 128 Bits.

I also have my PS3 connected too and I had to use the 26 bit long string to connect that.

I hope this helps.

Both the InfoCast 8 in and 3.5 in will connect using WEP and 128 Bits.

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

notso wrote:

To get my 8 inch Infocast to work, I had to change my WPA security code on my WPA WiFi box to a short pass phrase.  I spent hours trying to enter a 64 character key (which did work with ALL my other WiFi clients!).  This is going to knock out my 3 inch Infocast as well as about 10 other WiFi enabled devices.  Essentially, I will have spent the better part of half a day doing WiFi configuration on about a dozen devices just to get my Infocast/Chumby to work.

I gave up trying enter my 64 random character WPA key into the Infocenter without typos after a couple of attempts.

Here is the lazy man's way to put a long WPA key on the Infocenter:

it's clear to me that nobody at chumby has ever tried to enter a secure wpa key into the infocast. I finally gave up and did what you suggested, after both myself and my roommate failed to get it to work...

who's bright idea was it to HIDE the key as it's being typed in, and again hide it on the verification screen... what insanity. 

having the virtual keyboard is a big improvement over the side scrolly thing on the little chumbies, but for heaven's sake, DON"T turn the key into asterisks! it needs to be seen.

please, please, chumby people, google "wpa keygen" and spend some time entering keys like what any keygen will give you, before you ship another release... please!

ps, max wpa key size is 63 characters, not 64 like some other people have said.

Cleaning up any loose bits and bytes.

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

Redevil06 wrote:

Again, I am used WEP and 128 Bits.

I also have my PS3 connected too and I had to use the 26 bit long string to connect that.

I hope this helps.

Both the InfoCast 8 in and 3.5 in will connect using WEP and 128 Bits.

you are aware that a wep key can be cracked in seconds with easily available tools these days, right?

Cleaning up any loose bits and bytes.

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

diamaunt wrote:

ps, max wpa key size is 63 characters, not 64 like some other people have said.

I checked my key and then google'd it, and you're correct. I have been using a 64 ascii character key on Win7, Tomato, OSX, Chumby, and iPhone without a problem so far. I suppose I should get into spec before some update breaks it and I end up scratching my head trying to figure what's wrong!

14 (edited by diamaunt 2011-01-21 06:42:34)

Re: Large Infocast WiFi does not work with WPA 64 or WEP 26 hex digit...

notso wrote:
diamaunt wrote:

ps, max wpa key size is 63 characters, not 64 like some other people have said.

I checked my key and then google'd it, and you're correct. I have been using a 64 ascii character key on Win7, Tomato, OSX, Chumby, and iPhone without a problem so far. I suppose I should get into spec before some update breaks it and I end up scratching my head trying to figure what's wrong!

I have no idea why some things allow you to enter more than 63 characters, but it does play hell with interoperability sometimes *grin*

Cleaning up any loose bits and bytes.